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There are no Yi-Jing masters

taoscopy
August 13, 2019

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We are all Yi-Jing students! But, if you prefer, we are all Yi-Jing masters, to a certain point. It makes people feel more confident if someone is knowledgeable in their domain.

The oracle and the Yi

First of all we need to clear a misunderstanding. When I started working on Taoscopy's comments, I wanted to gather the best materials available, so I got a copy of Richard Wilhelm's translation and a few others like Javary, Schlumberger, Legge, and some others who not are very well known. What did the oracle tell me about that?

17.3 (17 > 49)
17.3 (17 > 49) - Sui, suivre

Sūi : 1. Respect, soumission, conformité à ce qui doit être ; 2. Complaisance ; 3. Fidélité au devoir ; 4. Conséquemment, en ce cas.

S’il fait le contraire*, en ce cas (4e sens, sūi) il arrivera au bien, à la position désirée ; il restera ferme et droit, sa pensée abandonnera toute bassesse.

* Le contraire de 17.2 soit fréquenter les gens âgés (et sages) et laisser de côté les jeunes gens.

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17.3 (17 > 49) - THE SUI HEXAGRAM.

The third line, divided, shows us one who cleaves to the man of age and experience, and lets go the little boy. Such following will get what it seeks; but it will be advantageous to adhere to what is firm and correct.

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17.3 (17 > 49) - Favoriser les plus compétents

Quand on préfère le meilleur, le moins bien s'en va.

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17.3 (17 > 49) - Fostering the most competent

When one prefers the best, the least goes away.

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17.3 (17 > 49) - Fostering the most competent

When one prefers the best, the least goes away.

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17.3 (17 > 49) - Irányítani

Ha valaki a legjobbat szeretné, a gyenge eltűnik.

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In the classical comments, a very famous translation of this line is from Richard Wilhelm:

If one clings to the strong man,
One loses the little boy.
Through following one finds what one seeks.
It furthers one to remain persevering.

Richard Wilhelm, translation Cary F. Baynes

I should not bother about them because the oracle is the best source available. In a way I needed them as a kind of bootstrap. But even with a very poor starting text you can obtain amazing results if you follow the oracle's advices.

Later, when I came to Hilary's Barrett's forum, I noticed that everybody there was talking about the Yi. At that time the distinction between the ancient text and the oracle was not very clear in my mind so I did like them, and Hilary Barrett told me that I should not talk about the Yi because the comments I use are not the ancient Chinese text. And she was right, there is a clear distinction between the oracle and the Yi. The great man being the oracle and the little boy being the Yi. This reading was a strong motivation to continue working on Taoscopy's comments, no matter what amount of flak I have received by doing so.

Why are there no Yi-Jing masters?

There are people who know the Yi very well, scholars, who have studied the Chinese ideograms and have read a lot of comments from the ancient authors. But what do they really know? It's nothing compared to what there is. There are 64 hexagrams and each of them covers a myriad of topics.

For example, the hexagram 1 is recognized in the classical comments as the Creator. When I consulted the oracle about it, the title I got was Evolution. But if you think about it, it also represents Time, you could also say that it represents a Vibration, or Life. And so on...

From the study of the classical comments, we can recognize some of these meanings, but that's not the most efficient way. To learn the Yi-Jing, my recommendation is to consult the oracle about a variety of things and ask for a description: books, songs, videos, movies, life events, anything goes.

Here is an example. I was watching this cinematic from Shogun 2 Total War, and asked the oracle to comment it:

And the answer was really surprising:

8
8 - Pî, la solidarité

: union, harmonie, rapprochement, aide

Texte

Union, chose excellente, commencement heureux que l’on doit porter à sa perfection, sans faillir. Si l’on n’obtient pas la paix, la concorde, il en adviendra ultérieurement de grands maux.

Commentaire

Pî est « concorde, secours ; le petit suivant le grand avec soumission ». Si, le puissant étant à sa place, la concorde n’en résulte pas, la loi morale dépérira.

Symbolisme

C’est l’eau par-dessus la terre figurant la concorde. C’est l’eau qui pénètre la terre et s’y unit sans laisser aucun intervalle. Animés de cet esprit, les anciens rois consolidaient leurs États et s’attachaient les princes.

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8 - THE PÎ HEXAGRAM.

Pî indicates that (under the conditions which it supposes) there is good fortune. But let (the principal party intended in it) re-examine himself, (as if) by divination, whether his virtue be great, unintermitting, and firm. If it be so, there will be no error. Those who have not rest will then come to him; and with those who are (too) late in coming it will be ill.

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8 - Sélectionner des recrues

Avoir une vision commune. Les hésitations peuvent mener à des regrets.

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8 - Selecting recruits

Sharing a common vision. Hesitations can lead to regrets.

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8 - Selecting recruits

Sharing a common vision. Hesitations can lead to regrets.

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8 - Elosztás

A közös jövőkép megosztása. A tétovázás megbánáshoz vezet.

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The hexagram 8 usually carries values of sharing, common goals, joining a group. And here, we have a fight! I was dumbfounded. After reading the comment again I noticed that Hesitations can lead to regrets. was totally true. It's only after, when I reworked the hexagram titles recently that I obtained Selecting recruits. And then it made more sense, because it led me to think of natural selection and of the struggle for life.

People sometimes laugh at Taoscopy's comments, because they say it is gibberish. As Laozi says:

Lower people hear of the Tao
They laugh loudly at it
If they do not laugh, it would not be the Tao

Laozi, Tao Te Ching, translation Derek Lin

They are made very seriously, despite the appearances. There are certainly some errors left, but as they are they can be already very helpful if you consider them seriously.

However my point is not that you should follow the classical comments, and neither Taoscopy's comments. You should not listen to me or any so-called Yi-Jing teacher or master: you should only trust the oracle.

How to proceed?

I have given a method above, which is to consult the oracle about a variety of things, this will help you understand the situations better. The less you are involved in the situation, the greater are the chances that you will understand it clearly, because your own inclinations won't interfere that much.

And there is something else that you can do, it is to question the oracle directly about the comments. You can do that about any kind of comment. Either classical, like the blogger Taobabe did in this article:

 At the time that I was doing this divination in an attempt to address the question of what it meant to Cross the Great Water,

Crossing the great water is a mention that we often find in the Yi. She got the hexagram 59 as reply and gives a very interesting interpretation of it.

You can also consult about Taoscopy's comments or any other comment. For example I have read this post on reddit:

As an example I asked the I Ching how this Jung forum can best contribute to humanity.

The answer received was:

52.1.3 (52 > 27)
52.1.3 (52 > 27) - Kán, l’arrêt

Kán : ferme, tenir droit, bien réglé, arrêter, reposer

  • 1.  (On doit) tenir fermes ses pieds ; i. e. être toujours d’une ferme droiture.
    Ne jamais perdre sa droiture.
  • 3. Se tenir ferme à sa place et le corps (litt. : les côtes) bien tenu, (c’est ainsi que l’on doit être).

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52.1.3 (52 > 27) - THE KĂN HEXAGRAM.

  • 1. The first line, divided, shows its subject keep- ing his toes at rest. There will be no error; but it will be advantageous for him to be persistently firm and correct.
  • 3. The third line, undivided, shows its subject keeping his loins at rest, and separating the ribs (from the body below). The situation is perilous, and the heart glows with suppressed excitement.

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52.1.3 (52 > 27) - Cesser

On a restitué la plupart des objets que l'on avait emprunté mais certains manquent à l'appel.

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52.1.3 (52 > 27) - Stop

One has returned most of the items one borrowed, but some are missing.

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52.1.3 (52 > 27) - Stop

One has returned most of the items one borrowed, but some are missing.

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52.1.3 (52 > 27) - Megállás

  • 1. Nem megy megnézni mit tesznek a többiek hogy kerülje a bajokat.
  • 3. A legalkalmasabbat kéri ha mások nem válaszolnak.

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I could not relate the question and the comment at all: One has returned most of the items one borrowed, but some are missing.

So, I asked for clarification and got:

43.3 (43 > 58)
43.3 (43 > 58) - Kwài, la décision

Kwāi : 1. Rivière divisée en branches ; diviser, couper, disperser ; 2. Décider, régler définitivement, résolu, tranchant ; 3. Habileté, art, prudence.

Celui qui met sa force dans ses mâchoires* aura malheur. Le sage est résolu, réglé ; partout, il va seul. S’il lui survient des désagréments qui lui attirent la malveillance, il n’en subira aucun résultat fâcheux.
Le sage est résolu, bien réglé, partant il ne se crée pas de regret. 
* En ses vantardises. La force, la violence se montre sur son visage.

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43.3 (43 > 58) - THE KWÂI HEXAGRAM.

The third line, undivided, shows its subject (about to advance) with strong (and determined) looks. There will be evil. (But) the superior man, bent on cutting off (the criminal), will walk alone and encounter the rain, (till he be hated by his proper associates) as if he were contaminated (by the others). (In the end) there will be no blame against him.

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43.3 (43 > 58) - Purifier

On abandonne le moins important.

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43.3 (43 > 58) - Purifying

One abandons the least important.

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43.3 (43 > 58) - Purifying

One abandons the least important.

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43.3 (43 > 58) - Kinyilatkoztatás

Eldobja a legkevésbé fontosat.

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And then it made sense! They should focus on the best works of Jung.

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